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Re: BMW M3 or Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe
From: "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng(at)nospam.co.uk>
Subject: Re: BMW M3 or Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:04:06 +0100
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Mercedes is an abbreviation for...?
DAS
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"Jess Englewood" <pleasen(at)spam.com> wrote in message
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> I think most people know how to pronounce it, if really pushed by
pickiness.
> But I also think in the popular lexicon it has been shortened in the same
> way there are Vettes, Chevys, Mercedes
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From: tuber1487(at)hotmail.com (Tyler)
Subject: Re: BMW M3 or Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe
Date: 4 Jul 2004 15:50:12 -0700
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While in the process of saving money like crazy, it became very
obvious that it is much easier to earn interest if you are starting
with a larger amount of money. Consequently, I have continued saving
past the point of just being able to afford the car so that when I do
purchase, it won`t wipe me out.
You have all made very good arguments for one or the other. My
original suspicion that the 911 is a purer sports car with less
practicality seems to have been confirmed. It won`t be seen how much
of an impact this will play until I test out each car for myself.
Please keep the opinions coming in. They have been very helpful and
are giving me ideas of what to think about before making the purchase.
Regarding negotiations, are higher end dealerships just as willing to
bargain (albeit resonably) on the price, or will I be pretty lucky to
get sticker price on these more exclusive cars? I know I`ve heard
that the M3 used to sell at quite a premium compared with the window
price.
By the way, I`ll be sure to pronounce it Por-scha when I meet the
overly pushy salesman.
Tyler
"Viper" <Viper(at)nospam.net> wrote in message news:<anBFc.55718$OB3.52730(at)bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> "Tyler" <tuber1487(at)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5e584fa7.0407021151.3b08eef1(at)posting.google.com...
>
> > After about a decade of investing, I finally have enough money to buy
> > a sports car. You can`t even imagine how much I have anticipated the
> > day I would have enough money to spend on a car like this
>
>
> <snip>
>
> I love both of these cars but only have
> > enough $ for one. Could anyone provide some suggestions please? I
> > know both are great cars, I just want to be sure to make the most of
> > something I have worked so hard for. Thanks for your assistance.
>
> Tyler: I`ve owned a BMW 325i and 3 Porsche 911s over the past few decades.
> I currently am perfectly happy driving a much less reliable, oversized
> kitcar, but you have defined your choice, and I`ll address that in a
> minute. But first, I have a suggestion.
>
> Looking at the tone of your post, it appears that you`ve worked hard for ten
> years, and have come up with a $70,000 budget or so. While that`s
> admirable, I`m not reading that this will be easy money for you to replace.
> New cars depreciate generally speaking. Certain cars have different resale
> values, in case your dream doesn`t measure up to your future wants or needs,
> and you need/want to re-sell.
>
> I suggest you buy a newer pre-owned (used) vehicle, and let someone else
> take the "hit" of the initial depreciation.
>
> Having said that, I believe that many people (I`m one of them) prefer an
> air cooled Porsche 911 over a water cooled. And while EXCELLENCE magazine
> has preached for years to purchase the latest model 911 you can afford, I
> would suggest buying the latest model of the discontinued air cooled 911 you
> can afford. That model line is the 993, and I personally believe it`s
> re-sale value will hold up better than the 996 line over the next decade. I
> also believe that Porsche will be changing their body style, and going back
> to a 994 appearance, thereby differentiating the 911 line from the "poorer"
> Boxster (try a Boxster S on some twisty roads and the "poorer" part isn`t
> quite as clear). I think this will further hurt the 996 line.
>
> I`m a bit biased on the 3 series BMW. My 1988 325i`s engine literally blew
> up at 38,000 miles, just 2 thousand miles outside of warranty, because the
> cam belt broke. Since the car was in for "everything" just before the
> warranty expired, at the dealer, and I could prove it, they covered most
> of the repairs (not fluids and belts). But I`ve always worried just a bit
> about the 3 series. I would think that for new M3 money, you could get a
> used M5. When you test drive the M3, why not see if the dealer has a three
> year old M5 on the lot, that you could purchase an extended warranty on?
> The M5 could grow with you if you have a family, or start to carry people as
> business customers, but has perhaps the best balance of any of the sedans in
> the world.
>
> I used to buy new cars all the time. It made me feel good. This time
> around I bought my S Class Mercedes as a lease return, and my 96 Viper from
> a collector friend when it was time for him to update his collection. Both
> of my cars cost about what one of the new 911s will cost you (maybe slightly
> more but under $100,000 for both). Unless you badly desire to buy new, if
> money takes you a decade to come by, I`d stretch it as far as I could.
>
> And if you DO want to spend $85,000 --- why not get a used Porsche 911
> Turbo?? Faster than my Viper, with all the modern conveniences thrown
> in......... what a car!
>
> Regards,
> 1996 Viper
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From: "Princess Morgiah" <princess_morgiah_nospamplease(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: BMW M3 or Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:06:56 GMT
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"Darren Hall" <tsumi(at)btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On 2/7/04 20:51, in article
5e584fa7.0407021151.3b08eef1(at)posting.google.com,
> "Tyler" <tuber1487(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > After about a decade of investing, I finally have enough money to buy
> > a sports car. You can`t even imagine how much I have anticipated the
> > day I would have enough money to spend on a car like this. Needless
> > to say, I want to make sure I make the correct decision regarding
> > which car to purchase. I have it narrowed down to either a BMW M3 or
> > Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe. Every time I see these cars, I melt. I am
> > utterly obsessed with the M3. My friend has one and it is one of the
> > most beautiful cars I have ever seen. Then there`s the Porsche. How
> > can you not love a car with the reputation of the 911. I love the
> > looks of this car to the point of obsession as well. Now here`s the
> > dilemma...which to buy. I have a test drive of both scheduled for
> > next week in Atlanta and will have to test both before making my
> > decision, but what would you guys choose? I know they are both sports
> > cars but, in terms of upkeep, which would be the least hassle? The
> > Porsche`s engine compartment appears to be very difficult to get at
> > (from nonmechanics POV). I love both of these cars but only have
> > enough $ for one. Could anyone provide some suggestions please? I
> > know both are great cars, I just want to be sure to make the most of
> > something I have worked so hard for. Thanks for your assistance.
>
> After a decade of saving, you cannot invest in something mundane, like a 3
> series BMW, even one with a powerful engine. The M3 is not a true sports
> car - try 10 laps of a track and see if the brakes can cope! It is a
hugely
> successful marketing gimmick, an icon without substance.
I wouldn`t quite call the M3 a mundane car. As for the fact whether or not
it`s a true sports car - the original poster said nothing about racing the
car on a track, so I think he`s trying to decide more on looks and practical
issues, rather than true track performance.
> The 911 is the real thing. No amount of advice (and well done for
> stimulating such fervent debate) will matter after the test drives. The
> Porsche steering alone when compared with the BMW will illustrate the
> essential differences.
>
> In order of preference, I`d get a Carrera 2 new, used Carrera 4S or a 996
> GT3 Mk 1 - the best of the bunch, apart from the unhelpfully expensive GT3
> RS. You may want to wait for the 997 as it will make current cars just
that
> little bit cheaper.
(I know I`m going to be shot for saying this but) I`ve yet to see a Porsche
I like - I`d prefer the M3 over just about every Porsche out there. But that
is a matter of opinion, of course - I simply do not think of Porsches as
beautiful cars, as opposed to most BMWs (except the latest Bangles).
Princess Morgiah
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